On-going Tribal Council Commentary!

lol on original Chorotega we just figured you were, Mia.

I'm a little less than thrilled with Lisa's answer. Her biggest move apparently was that time I asked her to consider flip-flopping and she said no.
I honestly don't remember if she even replied.

BJ, I think he's getting too much hate for the idols. It kind of equals itself out? Mia and Chad's 2 idols went to waste, 2 didn't. [b]]And BJ knew exactly when to strategically play them. [/bPart of this season was idols and we all knew that :P Since it's not like there were 4 that were all played and had a huge influence on things, it's really only like...2.

Kim, my question to her kind of opened my eyes a little bit. The fact she said she never settled on an alliance officially until the Final 6... And imo she did ride Tom's coattails almost all the way there And convincing Tom to vote for Mia was not a spectacular move. I'm kind of glad I realized this, I think my mind is made up.

But... he really didn't. If what he says is true and he did have one at Final 6, I have no clue why he didn't use it on you. If he had, then the only people open for rocks would have been me and Lisa, so obviously I would have had no choice but to flip on Ami at that point. Instead, he screwed you and Kim over by keeping the idol for himself, and pretty much forced Kim to win immunity at Final 5 by busting her butt when you guys could have had a 3-2 majority if he had actually used his idols correctly. He found so many idols, and he didn't even use one of them the way that he should have imo.

He kept it so he could use it in case I lost. He believe he had it before I left.
I have to give him credit, yeah he could have gotten lucky guessing for idol clues. But none of us were that determined to guess it (and get it) with no clues. Saying he got lucky is implying everyone else wasn't. If we really cared we would have tried harder to get them like he did.
I just don't think it's right to hold that against him. The hosts were the ones that put them out there. He took the opportunity.

If he had won that last challenge, he could have simply used the idol on Kim. But instead, he saw she was holding her own and already ahead in the challenge, and he knew it was the last time to play an idol so he just sat back, and let Kim win it (she had worked hard for it already) because he knew he had to simply play his idol on himself. I think he used them at the - exact - right times because if he hadn't, well he'd be on the jury. Having me survive the purple rocks would have just been a bonus to him.
So many idols? He found 2. Without clues is even more impressive to me.

He kept it so he could use it in case I lost. He believe he had it before I left.
I have to give him credit, yeah he could have gotten lucky guessing for idol clues. But none of us were that determined to guess it (and get it) with no clues. Saying he got lucky is implying everyone else wasn't. If we really cared we would have tried harder to get them like he did.
I just don't think it's right to hold that against him. The hosts were the ones that put them out there. He took the opportunity.

If he had won that last challenge, he could have simply used the idol on Kim. But instead, he saw she was holding her own and already ahead in the challenge, and he knew it was the last time to play an idol so he just sat back, and let Kim win it (she had worked hard for it already) because he knew he had to simply play his idol on himself. I think he used them at the - exact - right times because if he hadn't, well he'd be on the jury. Having me survive the purple rocks would have just been a bonus to him.
So many idols? He found 2. Without clues is even more impressive to me.

Er, I believe he had it before I left*

He kept it so he could use it in case I lost. He believe he had it before I left.

Yeah, but my point is that he could have made sure you didn't leave by using the idol on you. If he had, Ami would have gone home for sure at Final 6. Instead, he left him in a position where one of he or Kim NEEDED Final 5 immunity, and then he didn't even try for it. My point is that he didn't use the idol correctly, because if he had, he would have used it on you at Final 6 to guarantee winning that vote.

*shrugs* He took the 2/3 chance I would stay. But, so did I.

Also, I'm interested to see Kim's answer to my question.
My beef with Kim is, I don't think I can vote for someone that's gone back on everyone.

If you need an idol to save yourself, you're not playing a very good game.

*If you needed an idol to save yourself twice

If you need an idol to save yourself, you're not playing a very good game.

You tried to save yourself with an idol :P

I just don't get why everyone's all up in arms about this. And saying he didn't use them at the right times?
He's in the Final 3, we're not.
Like you guys said, if he hadn't used them he'd be gone.
He used them at the right times, anyone can see that.

If you need an idol to save yourself, you're not playing a very good game.

You tried to save yourself with an idol :P

I just don't get why everyone's all up in arms about this. And saying he didn't use them at the right times?
He's in the Final 3, we're not.
Like you guys said, if he hadn't used them he'd be gone.
He used them at the right times, anyone can see that.

But he DIDN'T use them at the right times. If he had used it at Final 6, YOU would be in the Final 3 too. How can you not see that?

If you need an idol to save yourself, you're not playing a very good game.

You tried to save yourself with an idol :P

I just don't get why everyone's all up in arms about this. And saying he didn't use them at the right times?
He's in the Final 3, we're not.
Like you guys said, if he hadn't used them he'd be gone.
He used them at the right times, anyone can see that.

And my game was absolute shit when we got to the merge. I aligned myself with a fucking idiot who thought it was smart to get rid of all your allies before the merge.

Chad basically just threw the idol away because he hated having it. I can verify that, because he told me it at least 7 times before he finally played it and explained it at tribal. He figured he wasn't going, but he was just going to be safe.

My plan for my idol was never really to use it to save myself, but to deflect votes for as long as I could with it. I didn't even want to have to announce it until right before I left for that weekend, and I probably might not have played it and instead just bluffed that I was pre-playing ti before I left.

Basically, Chad and I used our idols a lot differently than Bobby Jon. He hasn't once acknowledged how lucky he was to get there.. Kim and Lisa both did easily. EVERYONE has holes in their gameplay, and Bobby Jon just seems to think that his were all part of his plan the whole time.

I really was only trying to get the idol in the first place to just ensure no one else got it and I knew who had it. After the swap we were trying for it to make sure Ibe/Jo didn't get it.

Point is, IDOLS weren't a significant part of Chad and I's games.

If you need an idol to save yourself, you're not playing a very good game.

You tried to save yourself with an idol :P

I just don't get why everyone's all up in arms about this. And saying he didn't use them at the right times?
He's in the Final 3, we're not.
Like you guys said, if he hadn't used them he'd be gone.
He used them at the right times, anyone can see that.

But he DIDN'T use them at the right times. If he had used it at Final 6, YOU would be in the Final 3 too. How can you not see that?

Yeah, and I would have beaten him supposedly. :P That's what I heard when I got here from everyone except Mia.
He held onto it to use it at the right time for himself not for me. I don't blame him. Holding onto it until F5 ensured him a F4. And at the F6 we were ready to go to rocks.

But, yeah he could have saved me, I see that, Maybe he thought Kim would flip on him after? I don't know.

And we also didn't know what the tiebreaker was either*

Yeah, and I would have beaten him supposedly. :P That's what I heard when I got here from everyone except Mia.
He held onto it to use it at the right time for himself not for me. I don't blame him. Holding onto it until F5 ensured him a F4. And at the F6 we were ready to go to rocks.

But he WANTED to go to the end with you and Kim. The fact that Bobby Jon is the Idiot Savant of the game certainly doesn't make me more likely to vote for him.

Yeah, and I would have beaten him supposedly. :P That's what I heard when I got here from everyone except Mia.
He held onto it to use it at the right time for himself not for me. I don't blame him. Holding onto it until F5 ensured him a F4. And at the F6 we were ready to go to rocks.

But he WANTED to go to the end with you and Kim. The fact that Bobby Jon is the Idiot Savant of the game certainly doesn't make me more likely to vote for him.

Yes, I know, but none of us knew what the tiebreaker was. He thought that if it was a tie he would get to break it himself because he had immunity.
He didn't risk playing it in case he did get to break it like that. He just wanted to avoid making an unnecessary move that risked him an idol.

You guys could have asked Brenda or Helen if the immunity winner broke the tie and they very clearly would have told you those were the PRE-merge tiebreaker rules and the POST-merge tiebreaker rules were a mystery.

Knowingly forcing a tie and not understanding the risk is pretty stupid.