Hey Guys, I figured it might be a good idea to start planning for next season since it's in January and that's not too far away.
Plus, i keep wanting to discuss who we should bring back from this season but I can't do that because when we open up the forums, everyone will see who we're thinking of inviting back.
SO. I made this forum that we can plan for next season and I won't reveal this to anyone after the game is over.
As you may or may not know, I'm planning another half-ass season for s18. Hopefully it will birth another set of stars of the likes of (OF COURSE) Brendagoddess, Purple Kelly, Alina, Naonka, etc...
From this season, the definites that I would have back... Brook and John. They both went pre-merge and were huge characters that also hate eachother, or at least have some bad blood. I have no doubt they would patch some of that up before next season, but it is definitely a storyline I want to see continue.
From there, I really want Jolanda back, she's an all-star, but she went so early I think we could fudge a second-chance ish storyline for her.
I'm thinking Shannon, Chase, Fabio could potentially come back from Malaysia.
I would love to have Ken from Greece. Other potentials are Jake, Jeanne, Christy, Joanna, all people I would classify as second chancers and they didn't get to play in ASS4.
So right there it's looking pretty full. Now going back further, I definitely want to consider having Nachos back as Russell, definitely want him in if he can play.
Some other people from Cambodia would be good too. Alffimix from season 2 would be great. Shii ann, CSCin3D from season 6 Would be incredible if I could pull that off. I'll try some really old schoolers from the first few seasons and see if they would want to play again.
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Out of that list, Chase is the name that jumps out at me most, but of course, that means another Aussie to the mix and gotta keep that balance.
I am wondering if you read second-chance as anyone who has more to give? Or specifically unfinished business / who were a bit robbed? From Greece alone I know all four of Erin, Shawna, Ken & Ryan have gone onto play more times. Ryan is probably one of the most regular and experienced but I will say Ken is the most improved by a long shot. Erin & Shawna - well, they have a better grasp of the game than their first go-around.
I would also add that none of those have the required dose of crazy or the ability to light the game on fire singlehandedly.
The one Stranded noob I can't recommend enough is Kate from OrgY. Social & emotional player. Has some strategical savvy but that all gets thrown out the window as soon as her game goes pair-shaped. I am chatting with her a lot these days and I will have her convinced to play by then :P
Other thing to add is that assassin thingie Helen was talking about doing here. (Or death-by-flour-sock as my Scouts would know it). It certainly requires some thinking about to implement it correctly, but it is the perfect compliment to the partners twist. One artificial friendship balanced out by one artificial enemy. Nothing too high stakes - not a full on idol. But a clue to the person who's target gets taken out each round, plus all the clues that that person was officially in possession of would be a nice starting point to tweak from. And of course, you inherit their target as your new one. Maybe having all the targets on the opposite tribe to start, so having your partner try help you out/send the idol away could work well? Plus as soon as you hit your first target, your next target becomes someone from your own tribe .. plus by then you have a taste for an idol clue..
I am wondering if you read second-chance as anyone who has more to give? Or specifically unfinished business / who were a bit robbed? From Greece alone I know all four of Erin, Shawna, Ken & Ryan have gone onto play more times. Ryan is probably one of the most regular and experienced but I will say Ken is the most improved by a long shot. Erin & Shawna - well, they have a better grasp of the game than their first go-around.
I would also add that none of those have the required dose of crazy or the ability to light the game on fire singlehandedly.
The one Stranded noob I can't recommend enough is Kate from OrgY. Social & emotional player. Has some strategical savvy but that all gets thrown out the window as soon as her game goes pair-shaped. I am chatting with her a lot these days and I will have her convinced to play by then :P
Other thing to add is that assassin thingie Helen was talking about doing here. (Or death-by-flour-sock as my Scouts would know it). It certainly requires some thinking about to implement it correctly, but it is the perfect compliment to the partners twist. One artificial friendship balanced out by one artificial enemy. Nothing too high stakes - not a full on idol. But a clue to the person who's target gets taken out each round, plus all the clues that that person was officially in possession of would be a nice starting point to tweak from. And of course, you inherit their target as your new one. Maybe having all the targets on the opposite tribe to start, so having your partner try help you out/send the idol away could work well? Plus as soon as you hit your first target, your next target becomes someone from your own tribe .. plus by then you have a taste for an idol clue..
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- Helen Glover
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I'm getting back to my Helen ways, now...
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So I'm assuming based on the talk here so far that half-ass is treated as more of second-chance returnees than all-stars returnees, which helps narrow the field a lot.
From this season, no one at the merge would seem to fit the "second-chance" theme, except for maybe Caryn, but she was so absent that it could turn out to be a wasted spot. ITA with John, more uncertain on Brook, but that's probably since I stopped reading Losers/Lurkers and the rivalry is the main appeal.
From Greece, Shawna and Ken are the two standouts in my mind. Ken really got a raw deal, and Shawna seemed to have a bit of unrealized potential. (You might've seen she messaged me post-game asking about some of my confessionals---she read ALL of them... every word... even that long ass funeral I wrote for myself at F6 which probably took half-an-hour to get through.)
Christy and Joanna, too, although they're each more of a second-chance/all-star hodge-podge. Putting them both in might also be (in addition to two other Greece-ers) would probably be too much, though.
Ted doesn't seem fit the "second-chance" theme; however, I was going back through Greece confessionals the other day and came across a post from Ted saying that January-ish is the only time he's free for ORGs (implying even summer was bad). So if you want him back ever, it might be a good idea to shoot him a message just to feel him out if that's changed, and potentially make an exception just to get him in play a second time.
Assassin
And Brenda, I'm LITERALLY fanning myself at your paragraph about the assassin/partner fuse.
It might be wise to start everyone off with Clue #1 since clues will move slowly.
Also, since partners can talk, I'm assuming each tribe should have different clues and password? Is this the way it has been treated before?
To summarize what you wrote about the clue-building and mathmatify the situation: if you successfully eliminate your bounty, you receive Clue #1 through Clue #(MAX(# clue you received before, # clue your bounty received before) + 1). So, if you had Clue #2 and your bounty had Clue #3 (each for their own tribe, doesn't matter if they're the same), then you would receive everything up to Clue #4 for your tribe's idol. Similarly, if you had Clue #3 and your bounty had Clue #2, you would still receive everything up to Clue #4 for your tribe's idol. This is complexity is probably something we can hide from them, just giving them the clues and leaving them to figure out the method (and how that might effect their perception of the now-eliminated-bounty's partner, if you can tell now that they had more clues than you expected them to).
Rambling
I was thinking the other day about S26, and how---I've attempted to avoid most spoilers, and this isn't anything boot-related, but---they're doing two tribes each half-returnee and half-newbie. Imagine if you mixed that with a partners twist where each returnee was paired with a newbie on the opposite tribe. Say you're a returnee... you'd have loyalty to your tribe; you'd have loyalty to the returnees on the other tribe (being returnees together); you'd have loyalty to the newbies on the other tribe since one of them is your partner and the rest of them are the partners of the people you should be closest with (being both returnees and also on your tribe). A swap and then merge would make things absolute chaos.
WITH that being said, thinking more about it, putting returnees and newbies together on the same tribe at the get-go is bound to have horrible implications for the newbies, so it's not really a good idea, but it was still a nifty situation to think about. Plus, newbies vs returnees is a formula that seems to work pretty well here, so if it's not broke, don't fix it.
Players
So I'm assuming based on the talk here so far that half-ass is treated as more of second-chance returnees than all-stars returnees, which helps narrow the field a lot.
From this season, no one at the merge would seem to fit the "second-chance" theme, except for maybe Caryn, but she was so absent that it could turn out to be a wasted spot. ITA with John, more uncertain on Brook, but that's probably since I stopped reading Losers/Lurkers and the rivalry is the main appeal.
From Greece, Shawna and Ken are the two standouts in my mind. Ken really got a raw deal, and Shawna seemed to have a bit of unrealized potential. (You might've seen she messaged me post-game asking about some of my confessionals---she read ALL of them... every word... even that long ass funeral I wrote for myself at F6 which probably took half-an-hour to get through.)
Christy and Joanna, too, although they're each more of a second-chance/all-star hodge-podge. Putting them both in might also be (in addition to two other Greece-ers) would probably be too much, though.
Ted doesn't seem fit the "second-chance" theme; however, I was going back through Greece confessionals the other day and came across a post from Ted saying that January-ish is the only time he's free for ORGs (implying even summer was bad). So if you want him back ever, it might be a good idea to shoot him a message just to feel him out if that's changed, and potentially make an exception just to get him in play a second time.
Assassin
And Brenda, I'm LITERALLY fanning myself at your paragraph about the assassin/partner fuse.
It might be wise to start everyone off with Clue #1 since clues will move slowly.
Also, since partners can talk, I'm assuming each tribe should have different clues and password? Is this the way it has been treated before?
To summarize what you wrote about the clue-building and mathmatify the situation: if you successfully eliminate your bounty, you receive Clue #1 through Clue #(MAX(# clue you received before, # clue your bounty received before) + 1). So, if you had Clue #2 and your bounty had Clue #3 (each for their own tribe, doesn't matter if they're the same), then you would receive everything up to Clue #4 for your tribe's idol. Similarly, if you had Clue #3 and your bounty had Clue #2, you would still receive everything up to Clue #4 for your tribe's idol. This is complexity is probably something we can hide from them, just giving them the clues and leaving them to figure out the method (and how that might effect their perception of the now-eliminated-bounty's partner, if you can tell now that they had more clues than you expected them to).
Rambling
I was thinking the other day about S26, and how---I've attempted to avoid most spoilers, and this isn't anything boot-related, but---they're doing two tribes each half-returnee and half-newbie. Imagine if you mixed that with a partners twist where each returnee was paired with a newbie on the opposite tribe. Say you're a returnee... you'd have loyalty to your tribe; you'd have loyalty to the returnees on the other tribe (being returnees together); you'd have loyalty to the newbies on the other tribe since one of them is your partner and the rest of them are the partners of the people you should be closest with (being both returnees and also on your tribe). A swap and then merge would make things absolute chaos.
WITH that being said, thinking more about it, putting returnees and newbies together on the same tribe at the get-go is bound to have horrible implications for the newbies, so it's not really a good idea, but it was still a nifty situation to think about. Plus, newbies vs returnees is a formula that seems to work pretty well here, so if it's not broke, don't fix it.
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- Carl Bilancione
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Btw, we need to make sure this forum doesn't get exposed post-game. 
Terry would be cool.
Terry would be cool.
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- Brenda Lowe
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So Kate ought to have applied by now. She asked to not put in a good word for her, she wants to see if she'll get in off her own application. So eh retract that recommendation She would be great though.
Anyways, I started mulling over Helen's thing about half and half tribes of noobs and vets, and I like the extra layer it would add to proceedings but! I think the only way it would work would to be to a) have 8 or 10 man tribes, and b) have only two players from any given Season. like, two Costa Ricans, two Grecians, two Malaysians, two whatever S14 was, and start them on opposite tribes. This would not be a problem if it was just Vets vs Noobs from the off, but the advantage of not having the noobs just steamrolled in the challenges could be worth the extra casting effort.
The obvious way around this would be to ensure the noobs tribe isn't complete fresh meat, have at least half of em as not-first-timers (i.e. played outside Stranded) - but that takes away from the Season in it's own way. The less obvious way is to ensure the first few challenges (up to the first shuffle or mutiny or w/e) are not old reliables. Suggestion of one random / luck-based one, two from the turn-based/logic/social arena, and just one speed based one (but simple straightforward speed - not skill at speed - think like a counting chase rather than an image slice).
Which in turn got me thinking of two other things from Malaysia
-would you select the pairs speed based style - i.e. based on a brief Q&A session again?
-and if so, could this be how the assassin targets are selected too?? Your top-ranked becomes your partner, your bottom ranked becomes your target, for the vets your bottom ranked becoems your target, and you are lumped with whatever noob selects you?
-also, a potential mutiny option rather than a shuffle again?
I don't think we want to end up just recreating Malaysia again either.
She would be great though. Anyways, I started mulling over Helen's thing about half and half tribes of noobs and vets, and I like the extra layer it would add to proceedings but! I think the only way it would work would to be to a) have 8 or 10 man tribes, and b) have only two players from any given Season. like, two Costa Ricans, two Grecians, two Malaysians, two whatever S14 was, and start them on opposite tribes. This would not be a problem if it was just Vets vs Noobs from the off, but the advantage of not having the noobs just steamrolled in the challenges could be worth the extra casting effort.
The obvious way around this would be to ensure the noobs tribe isn't complete fresh meat, have at least half of em as not-first-timers (i.e. played outside Stranded) - but that takes away from the Season in it's own way. The less obvious way is to ensure the first few challenges (up to the first shuffle or mutiny or w/e) are not old reliables. Suggestion of one random / luck-based one, two from the turn-based/logic/social arena, and just one speed based one (but simple straightforward speed - not skill at speed - think like a counting chase rather than an image slice).
Which in turn got me thinking of two other things from Malaysia
-would you select the pairs speed based style - i.e. based on a brief Q&A session again?
-and if so, could this be how the assassin targets are selected too?? Your top-ranked becomes your partner, your bottom ranked becomes your target, for the vets your bottom ranked becoems your target, and you are lumped with whatever noob selects you?
-also, a potential mutiny option rather than a shuffle again?
I don't think we want to end up just recreating Malaysia again either.
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- Brenda Lowe
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So idky I'm doing this when it's 2:30 am and I have so many others things I could be doing (sleeping for example) but I thought I'd run through the potentials for myself more than anything.
S17: Costa Rica: Guatuso / Chorotega
S16: Refuge - Seuua / Chaang / Refuge
S15: Greece: Asteria / Helios:
S14: Malaysia: Baru / Peluang
Take out all these for the following Reasons;
These would be a waste of a spot I fear, although each one on their own has the potential to be better the second time out, but unlikely;
Jeanne - ah2010
Butch - Joeshmo447
Jan - gigaca123
Dolly - AluminiumSeiren
Lisa - SpankyHotDog
I'm also removing these guys from the list, but this is purely personal preference for just too quiet / uninteresting of games (though capable) entirely;
Brian - Brant
Benry - AnimalFunz
Brook - The Doctor
Ibrehem - jayjayblue
Leaves you with these;
Shawna - Xbones
Joanna - AFF
Christy - morrisbored
Ryan - RandomDumbName
Erin - Soladrian
Jake - SimonLOTF
Ken - Gojira
Ted - Virtuanno
Chase - AveryC
Fabio - JediJun
Purple Kelly - Snoopy
Ami - Brightside
Chad - nic2200
Chris - Justincorporated
John - Jimbo
Mia - Vocal Fry
Bobby Jon - DirtyAndrea
Caryn - TheOneSurvivor
Gregg - Gnarls
Jolanda - ChuckietheDuckie
Kim - SeveC
Tom - Taterman
Wanda - DangerouslyDry
More on these in the next post.
S17: Costa Rica: Guatuso / Chorotega
S16: Refuge - Seuua / Chaang / Refuge
S15: Greece: Asteria / Helios:
S14: Malaysia: Baru / Peluang
Take out all these for the following Reasons;
Multiple time players already. Had their chance more than once.
Parvati - Jensa
<3Nat - HollyBear
Penny - SharkPark
Penny - SharkPark
Mike - kalay
Cristina - crazyalexi
Ian - Pride
Daniel - burningsceptre
Daniel - Burning Sceptre
Katie - EPR2012
Yul - Rebnik
Lisi - mattyp/crows
Taj - Naz (although get her blogging again pls)
Taj - Naz
Tyson - Naj
Coach - TaylorStreet
Corinne - JoeGul9
Monica - MistressTara
NaOnka - Foie/Yasminkov9000
Naonka - Foie/Yaz
Brenda - Yog
Brenda - Yog
Erinn - Midnight Problay
Alina - FDE
Whorelina - FDE
Catalie - Blondz
Sekou - MakCrabs
Paloma - Twisted1982
Paloma - Twisted1982
Cao Boi - NBS
Chet - Ricey
Darrah - troyanwarrior (feel her out for all-stars pls)
Joel - Ahora
Kathy - UD
Michelle - LittleLionBaby
Peih Gee - Beligerent Ghoul/BG
Ew, Inactives or thereabouts
Shannon - ET91 (hotmess in Malaysia / inactive for Refuge)
Shannips - et91
Jeff - Suppis
James - FartParty
Sash - PocketAssReturn
Julie - oohitsryan
Kelly B - FluffyNurse
Nope, retired and frankly a pain in the ass to host.
Rob - IANCD
I think she would break if she played again. Plus has seen this.
Helen - spanellers
These would be a waste of a spot I fear, although each one on their own has the potential to be better the second time out, but unlikely;
Jeanne - ah2010
Butch - Joeshmo447
Jan - gigaca123
Dolly - AluminiumSeiren
Lisa - SpankyHotDog
I'm also removing these guys from the list, but this is purely personal preference for just too quiet / uninteresting of games (though capable) entirely;
Brian - Brant
Benry - AnimalFunz
Brook - The Doctor
Ibrehem - jayjayblue
Leaves you with these;
Shawna - Xbones
Joanna - AFF
Christy - morrisbored
Ryan - RandomDumbName
Erin - Soladrian
Jake - SimonLOTF
Ken - Gojira
Ted - Virtuanno
Chase - AveryC
Fabio - JediJun
Purple Kelly - Snoopy
Ami - Brightside
Chad - nic2200
Chris - Justincorporated
John - Jimbo
Mia - Vocal Fry
Bobby Jon - DirtyAndrea
Caryn - TheOneSurvivor
Gregg - Gnarls
Jolanda - ChuckietheDuckie
Kim - SeveC
Tom - Taterman
Wanda - DangerouslyDry
More on these in the next post.
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- Helen Glover
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Brenda Lowe wrote:I'm also removing these guys from the list, but this is purely personal preference for just too quiet / uninteresting of games (though capable) entirely;
Brian - Brant
Benry - AnimalFunz
Brook - The Doctor
Ibrehem - jayjayblue
Ditto these SO much. With my obvious personal bias, I would like to see Brant play again, but it's no doubt that a Heidik game is anything but compelling.
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- Brenda Lowe
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Now here it gets tricky. Some of these are shoe-ins for All-Stars. So it's a question of whether you are looking at legit second-chancers, or fans vs. favourites. I'm just gonna jot my thoughts on each, also whether they are strongly tied to any of the communities that I know of, because we don't want a big ORGY or Aussie presence overpowering the game. And they are kind of in order of people I'd most like to see in, to least. but idk, a definitive list it all needs balance depending on the others who are in Season wise, their out of Series connections, and the second-chance/faves thing as above.
Purple Kelly - Snoopy (ORGY Strong) - Probably *the* categorically best player here of any, challenges & social skills natch, mostly solid strategy (the full package of solidity when needed & also jumping when needed) but still with a pinch of irrationality under pressure. Save her for All-Stars. And the biggest ORGY name on the list, so connections need to be monitored.
Christy - morrisbored (ORGY Strong) - best reader of the game I know of. As with Purps, just too good for fans v faves, keep for the next all-stars. Again, very well known at ORGY now.
Chad - nic2200 needs to come back. Unless he wins. Then keep him shelved for all-stars.
These three I think might be wasted on Fans v faves. I would rather hold off on each, and give some lesser lights a chance to make a name for themselves right now.
John - Jimbo (Aussie)
Mia - Vocal Fry
These two are already All-Stars in their own right, yet they could play fans v faves instead (or as well). The problem I see here is that there are too many candidates from this Season already viable - but they fit the early boot criteria better than the remaining. idk, depends how the rest of the cast is shaped.
Ted - Virtuanno (Aussie) - if we can get him for either this or all-stars, do. No questions - make our schedule fit his
Chase - AveryC (Aussie)(ORGY weak) Let's face it, chase is really a fantastic player. he just got fucked over hard by me & Purps & Nay :D Fucked over so hard, it was delicious. He definitely deserves another go around. Be very wary of the balance though, as he is extremely connected in Aussie land - hosts every Season, well-liked & respected by all. Talk to me more closer to, but say for now, him & John would be okay, but him & BobbiJon or XBones or Kim is a premade alliance waiting to happen. But really, if any player fits the bill for second chance and you *know* will play well it's Chase, maybe even verging a little on the "too good" side of things, but I've seen him buckle occasionally.
Joanna - AFF (ORGY weak) I would love to see Joanna come back and play a stormer. if we could get final four Joanna - the one behind the "g2g, skyping my bf!" mask, she would be amazing. I just don't know if that Joanna would show up though. Still *the* best defensive game I've seen from a host pov. Getting her on top form might require getting Naz/Taj to be the one to get her to play. I believe she didn't play a game before Stranded or has since. She only hangs around ORGY for the Survivor discussion and more importantly, the singing and fashion games/tv talk. And of course, boys online :D
Shawna - Xbones (Aussie)(ORGY weak)
Erin - Soladrian (ORGY weak)
Ryan - RandomDumbName (ORGY Strong)
Ken - Gojira (ORGY Strong)
Shawna & Erin fall into the same category for me, both have gone on to play more, but neither has improved all that much, just gained experience. I will put Ryan in with these, as he is about the same level as them now (albeit he started from a much lower starting point). Actually, add Ken in here too as another "most improved" - in fact Ken is probably the best player out of the four at this point.
I would say some two out of these four as the meat & veg representing Greece
Tom - Taterman (ORGY weak)
Ami - Brightside (ORGY weak to most but strong bonds with old-schoolers i.e. Snoopy/Gnarls)
Bobby Jon - DirtyAndrea (Aussie)
Kim - SeveC (ORGY Strong)
I would endorse all four of these already, but obviously not all of them so soon. And we really need to see how this all pans out to make the call on which need redemption, which are all-star material. No descriptions needed here, you know what you're getting with each.
Fabio - JediJun (ORGY Strong)
I have actually seen Jedi play a lot of times, and much as I love him as an ally, he plays a decidedly UTR game that I'm not sure is a good fit for Vets. Also very tied to a lot of ORGY. There's other ORGY people on this list that I'd rather see play next Season, with him maybe slotting into a bit-part role in an all-returnee Season (not even All-Stars.. maybe barely?)
Gregg - Gnarls (ORGY Strong)
I'm not sure Gnarls has the time for ORGs anymore. I'm only going on kinda grapevine / hosting for other games things here but I believe he made an exception to play here. I'm not sure he'd do another one so soon. I fear he wouldn't have the same impact open ID (definitely not with many other ORGY peeps around) Gnarls open-ID in all-stars would be a whole different kettle of fish. idk how I am unrecommending him for this yet recommending him for that. lol but that's Gnarls in a nutshell.
Chris - Justincorporated (ORGY weak)
Potentially awesome, but only on the condition that he will commit to only playing this game exclusively at the time.
Jolanda - ChuckietheDuckie
I am sorry, not a big fan of Jolanda in this incarnation. I appreciate her enthusiasm but that's about it. I only kept her off the drop for uninteresting list because I gather you two find her a little fanworthy. She does have a different approach to most, so maybe if you find an abundance of sneaky players she could bring a bit of balance. There are a lot of other players from this season I'd rather see though.
Russell H. - TooManyNachos (ORGY strong)
Voted off early merge in Cambodia. Didn't make much of an impact becuase he made a dumb move and got booted, but in Survivor: Phillipines he was glorious. A must have and I'm thinking he could really start some shit in FvF scenario.
Eric - Jeff P3 (ORGY strong)
I wanted him for ASS4 and he is all-stars worthy for sure. Dominated the season, made it all the way tot he final 2 with his #1 ally Natalie W/hollybear and we know how that ended. Would have him back in a heartbeat.
Jake - SimonLOTF
Caryn - TheOneSurvivor
Wanda - DangerouslyDry
The final three in Jake/Caryn/Wanda are definitively second-chancers. I just don't know if any of them have actually learned anything from their first time out like the Erin/Shawna/Gojira/Ryan set, and could be wasted slots. We'll see in a few months. I'll likely mass invite them to ORGY and see who's got bitten by the bug.
Purple Kelly - Snoopy (ORGY Strong) - Probably *the* categorically best player here of any, challenges & social skills natch, mostly solid strategy (the full package of solidity when needed & also jumping when needed) but still with a pinch of irrationality under pressure. Save her for All-Stars. And the biggest ORGY name on the list, so connections need to be monitored.
Christy - morrisbored (ORGY Strong) - best reader of the game I know of. As with Purps, just too good for fans v faves, keep for the next all-stars. Again, very well known at ORGY now.
Chad - nic2200 needs to come back. Unless he wins. Then keep him shelved for all-stars.
These three I think might be wasted on Fans v faves. I would rather hold off on each, and give some lesser lights a chance to make a name for themselves right now.
John - Jimbo (Aussie)
Mia - Vocal Fry
These two are already All-Stars in their own right, yet they could play fans v faves instead (or as well). The problem I see here is that there are too many candidates from this Season already viable - but they fit the early boot criteria better than the remaining. idk, depends how the rest of the cast is shaped.
Ted - Virtuanno (Aussie) - if we can get him for either this or all-stars, do. No questions - make our schedule fit his
Chase - AveryC (Aussie)(ORGY weak) Let's face it, chase is really a fantastic player. he just got fucked over hard by me & Purps & Nay :D Fucked over so hard, it was delicious. He definitely deserves another go around. Be very wary of the balance though, as he is extremely connected in Aussie land - hosts every Season, well-liked & respected by all. Talk to me more closer to, but say for now, him & John would be okay, but him & BobbiJon or XBones or Kim is a premade alliance waiting to happen. But really, if any player fits the bill for second chance and you *know* will play well it's Chase, maybe even verging a little on the "too good" side of things, but I've seen him buckle occasionally.
Joanna - AFF (ORGY weak) I would love to see Joanna come back and play a stormer. if we could get final four Joanna - the one behind the "g2g, skyping my bf!" mask, she would be amazing. I just don't know if that Joanna would show up though. Still *the* best defensive game I've seen from a host pov. Getting her on top form might require getting Naz/Taj to be the one to get her to play. I believe she didn't play a game before Stranded or has since. She only hangs around ORGY for the Survivor discussion and more importantly, the singing and fashion games/tv talk. And of course, boys online :D
Shawna - Xbones (Aussie)(ORGY weak)
Erin - Soladrian (ORGY weak)
Ryan - RandomDumbName (ORGY Strong)
Ken - Gojira (ORGY Strong)
Shawna & Erin fall into the same category for me, both have gone on to play more, but neither has improved all that much, just gained experience. I will put Ryan in with these, as he is about the same level as them now (albeit he started from a much lower starting point). Actually, add Ken in here too as another "most improved" - in fact Ken is probably the best player out of the four at this point.
I would say some two out of these four as the meat & veg representing Greece
Tom - Taterman (ORGY weak)
Ami - Brightside (ORGY weak to most but strong bonds with old-schoolers i.e. Snoopy/Gnarls)
Bobby Jon - DirtyAndrea (Aussie)
Kim - SeveC (ORGY Strong)
I would endorse all four of these already, but obviously not all of them so soon. And we really need to see how this all pans out to make the call on which need redemption, which are all-star material. No descriptions needed here, you know what you're getting with each.
Fabio - JediJun (ORGY Strong)
I have actually seen Jedi play a lot of times, and much as I love him as an ally, he plays a decidedly UTR game that I'm not sure is a good fit for Vets. Also very tied to a lot of ORGY. There's other ORGY people on this list that I'd rather see play next Season, with him maybe slotting into a bit-part role in an all-returnee Season (not even All-Stars.. maybe barely?)
Gregg - Gnarls (ORGY Strong)
I'm not sure Gnarls has the time for ORGs anymore. I'm only going on kinda grapevine / hosting for other games things here but I believe he made an exception to play here. I'm not sure he'd do another one so soon. I fear he wouldn't have the same impact open ID (definitely not with many other ORGY peeps around) Gnarls open-ID in all-stars would be a whole different kettle of fish. idk how I am unrecommending him for this yet recommending him for that. lol but that's Gnarls in a nutshell.
Chris - Justincorporated (ORGY weak)
Potentially awesome, but only on the condition that he will commit to only playing this game exclusively at the time.
Jolanda - ChuckietheDuckie
I am sorry, not a big fan of Jolanda in this incarnation. I appreciate her enthusiasm but that's about it. I only kept her off the drop for uninteresting list because I gather you two find her a little fanworthy. She does have a different approach to most, so maybe if you find an abundance of sneaky players she could bring a bit of balance. There are a lot of other players from this season I'd rather see though.
Russell H. - TooManyNachos (ORGY strong)
Voted off early merge in Cambodia. Didn't make much of an impact becuase he made a dumb move and got booted, but in Survivor: Phillipines he was glorious. A must have and I'm thinking he could really start some shit in FvF scenario.
Eric - Jeff P3 (ORGY strong)
I wanted him for ASS4 and he is all-stars worthy for sure. Dominated the season, made it all the way tot he final 2 with his #1 ally Natalie W/hollybear and we know how that ended. Would have him back in a heartbeat.
Jake - SimonLOTF
Caryn - TheOneSurvivor
Wanda - DangerouslyDry
The final three in Jake/Caryn/Wanda are definitively second-chancers. I just don't know if any of them have actually learned anything from their first time out like the Erin/Shawna/Gojira/Ryan set, and could be wasted slots. We'll see in a few months. I'll likely mass invite them to ORGY and see who's got bitten by the bug.
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- Brenda Lowe
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And of course there's as many again from the seasons I wasn't involved in. I would definitely back Nachos having hosted him as Dr Kelso in a Scrubs game one time. Hilarious, and pretty savvy too. It's damn hard to be that mean & grinchy and still get that far. 
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I actually don't like Jolanda that much. Much of that is probably because my distaste of Ibe is rubbing off onto her.
Particularly with Jeff's pre-Malaysia suggestions from above, I seriously fear getting too Greece-heavy.
Ted is a must in either FvF or ASS depending on his schedule. Meanwhile, I would root for Ken in particular, and then either Shawna/Erin. I think Erin has a very good understanding of the game that came out in my reunion conversation with her, but she's just too damn quiet and UTR in-game, which is why I might suggest Shawna over her, since she's a bit more entertaining though more likely to get shucked in pre-merge. If Ted isn't in, then I think Joanna could be a Greece third. If Ted is in, Joanna could potentially replace Erin/Shawna, but having a fourth Greece-er seems far too much.
I agree with you on keeping Brook out, but think Jeff might want to keep the John v Brook rivalry around. Personally, from this season, I'd agree with you on reviving Mia and John for a FvF. Although this is an artifact of my personal bias, but including Jolanda or Brook for FvF seems to really be bloating that tribe with Costa Ricans now, since chances are, at least one other Costa Rican besides those two will return in addition to Mia/John. Personally, I'd bring back Caryn for the lulz and hope that she comes out of her shell earlier. Tom, BJ, Kim, Gregg, and Ami don't vibe second chance for me much.
Much of this is schedule dependent, but I think 3 Greece, 3 Costa Rica, Chase, and some of the other old schoolers Jeff is looking into would seem like a good bunch. If pulling old schoolers fails, one potential alternative would be just to split a tribe between Greece and Costa Rica halfway down the middle, with two others like Chase, Terry, etc thrown in the middle of the mix.
Particularly with Jeff's pre-Malaysia suggestions from above, I seriously fear getting too Greece-heavy.
Ted is a must in either FvF or ASS depending on his schedule. Meanwhile, I would root for Ken in particular, and then either Shawna/Erin. I think Erin has a very good understanding of the game that came out in my reunion conversation with her, but she's just too damn quiet and UTR in-game, which is why I might suggest Shawna over her, since she's a bit more entertaining though more likely to get shucked in pre-merge. If Ted isn't in, then I think Joanna could be a Greece third. If Ted is in, Joanna could potentially replace Erin/Shawna, but having a fourth Greece-er seems far too much.
I agree with you on keeping Brook out, but think Jeff might want to keep the John v Brook rivalry around. Personally, from this season, I'd agree with you on reviving Mia and John for a FvF. Although this is an artifact of my personal bias, but including Jolanda or Brook for FvF seems to really be bloating that tribe with Costa Ricans now, since chances are, at least one other Costa Rican besides those two will return in addition to Mia/John. Personally, I'd bring back Caryn for the lulz and hope that she comes out of her shell earlier. Tom, BJ, Kim, Gregg, and Ami don't vibe second chance for me much.
Much of this is schedule dependent, but I think 3 Greece, 3 Costa Rica, Chase, and some of the other old schoolers Jeff is looking into would seem like a good bunch. If pulling old schoolers fails, one potential alternative would be just to split a tribe between Greece and Costa Rica halfway down the middle, with two others like Chase, Terry, etc thrown in the middle of the mix.
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- Brenda Lowe
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Just a thought, when did you last run a Rivals Season Jeff? Season 12 or so??
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Oh one last thing while I think of it. If she is free get Penny blogging with us (and Taj as well preferably). Two people back and forth is nearly too agreeable. With four of us here with strong opinions we would no doubt contrast some, maybe fight a little, and offer a wider scope and more for them to read post-game.
I will state for the record that you shouldn't allow Penny actually touch anything :D
Also, she's come to me a few times about Aus vs US 2 (in fact she had her eye on January till I said 18 was likely Jan into Feb) and it wouldn't be a bad idea to get her behind the scenes here before she jumps two-footed into that.
I will state for the record that you shouldn't allow Penny actually touch anything :D
Also, she's come to me a few times about Aus vs US 2 (in fact she had her eye on January till I said 18 was likely Jan into Feb) and it wouldn't be a bad idea to get her behind the scenes here before she jumps two-footed into that.
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- Jeff Probst
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Well I definitely want 20 to be a big deal, i just don't know how yet. Tahnks for outlining the all-stars. I'm going to edit in some people.
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Brenda Lowe wrote:With four of us here with strong opinions we would no doubt contrast some, maybe fight a little, and offer a wider scope and more for them to read post-game.
If you put Penny and me in the same room, contrast and fighting will be anything but avoidable.
Brenda Lowe wrote:I will state for the record that you shouldn't allow Penny actually touch anything :D
Truer words. Doesn't she help in hosting AUS? How has she not fucked that one up yet?
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Helen Glover wrote:Brenda Lowe wrote:I will state for the record that you shouldn't allow Penny actually touch anything :D
Truer words. Doesn't she help in hosting AUS? How has she not fucked that one up yet?
We all swore that we would never speak of it again.
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From this season I think Tom, Bj, Ami, Gregg, Chad, Mia all classify as all-stars. That's six people though... Should I put one of them in season 18 just to break them up?
I'm seriously considering Chris, John, Brook and Jolanda for next season.
I think Jeanne, Ryan, Ken, Jake, Shawna, Joanna are on the short list too.
Add to that Fabio, Shannon, Chase from Malaysia.
I would LOVE to get Betsy from Cambodia but she's disappeared :'(
Russell Hantz, Erik, Dave Ball all on the shortlist.
Rafe, Terry from Aruba also on the shortlist.
Those are the people I'm going to ask and am seriously considering. Everyone else is all-star potential
I'm seriously considering Chris, John, Brook and Jolanda for next season.
I think Jeanne, Ryan, Ken, Jake, Shawna, Joanna are on the short list too.
Add to that Fabio, Shannon, Chase from Malaysia.
I would LOVE to get Betsy from Cambodia but she's disappeared :'(
Russell Hantz, Erik, Dave Ball all on the shortlist.
Rafe, Terry from Aruba also on the shortlist.
Those are the people I'm going to ask and am seriously considering. Everyone else is all-star potential
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- Jeff Probst
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A realistic ideal list is as follows FOR NOW:
Russell, Joanna, Erik, Shannon, Fabio, Ken, Rafe, Terry, John, Jeanne
I think Shannon's gone, Erik's gone, fabios gone, rafes gone. Would replace with Shawna, Jake, Ryan and Brooke.
We got a lot of great second chancers, lots of personalities and TONS of strategists
Russell, Joanna, Erik, Shannon, Fabio, Ken, Rafe, Terry, John, Jeanne
I think Shannon's gone, Erik's gone, fabios gone, rafes gone. Would replace with Shawna, Jake, Ryan and Brooke.
We got a lot of great second chancers, lots of personalities and TONS of strategists
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- Helen Glover
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Jeanne? Jeanne...?
And no Ted show
Might you at least check with him to see if his schedule would potentially allow for joining an All-Stars later in the year, or if January remains his only available time?
And no Ted show
Might you at least check with him to see if his schedule would potentially allow for joining an All-Stars later in the year, or if January remains his only available time?
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