Episode 13

Like, is BJ the only one even trying to go for idols at this point?

*deletes other thread*

So BJ found another idol

Even before that, I came here to say last night boosted his chances incredibly. Despite Kim's talk of going with them, Ibe has to still be the favourite to leave next, and as I explained a round or two back, Bobbi in the finals with Ibe is very difficult for him to win, but Bobbi in the finals without Ibe? Well that's ludicrously more winnable - especially if Ibe is sent to Jury though no fault of Bobbi-Jons.

Ibe, you were persuading me to vote with you and still could, but are you seriously trying to argue that Lisa is the second biggest jury threat in the game? Seriously?

I don't want to live in that world. She's done nothing in this game and unless she actually became active her winning would be a joke.

From Ibe himself:

Anyway, I don't know what else to say.
If you join me, I'm not going against you. You and I both want to get to the finals, and a lot of the jury does hate us.
I'm sure we could figure out something. But for now. I think you should vote for Ami with me/Kim/BJ. If I'm gonna convince BJ to hold off on eliminating you over Lisa, I will and he'll go for it ESPECIALLY if you vote out Ami now. :P Then with us 4 vs. Lisa? Please! She's the biggest jury threat since Ami. So she'll go guaranteed -- and the Choro-4 will be in the finals. And would you just trust me for once?
I'd be doing like all the work here. Just vote for Ami and let me handle it. The less-threatening and more on-board with us you appear the easier it'll be to change their minds to take out Lisa.

Wow, could Ibe make it any MORE obvious that if I vote for Ami tomorrow, Kim and Bobby Jon want to do me next? I'm ready for a tie tomorrow, and I hope it isn't about who has immunity. I'll still try to work Kim over if I can though, I really will try.

Great job on ruining another potential majority, Ibe! It's pretty clearly Tom's best move to force a tie regardless, but making your F5 plans that obvious isn't doing much to convince him to the contrary.

Let's see some rawks! And watch to see if Kim/BJ or Tom/Lisa folds first.

BJ wouldn't have to fold, what with him being immune and all.

I quite like the shape this Jury is taking, they are passionately disagreeing. It seems to more focused on who they wouldn't rather than who they would, but it should make for a lively FTC regardless.

If I had to predict based on the current gameboard if the two three-person alliances in play running to the end: Kim would win a Kim/BJ/Ibe F3 with Ibe probably taking second; Tom would win a close vote between he and Ami, with Lisa taking third (since I think the bitter-against-Tom votes would split between the girls, letting him potentially pull a plurality win).

I think it's Tom and BJs game to lose.

Mia telling Chad how everyone wanted to take him out makes me want to post a picture of a pot and a kettle.

lol. Leave them to it. I want to post a reply to Chads final words (and Jury arguing) so bad. i guess I'll do it here and he can read it afterwards.

Yes you were playing a great game and you have a far more accurate grasp on events than Mia, but the idol rant is missing out on the crucial point that YOU TOLD BJ STRAIGHT UP YOU WERE VOTING HIM. You just can't do that. It's unfortunate, and a lesson I learned the hard way too, but people don't ever respect the honesty, they'd prefer you to lie to them, even if it makes no sense.

Once you knew they were in the game it's another thing you need to work around somehow. And finding it without clues is akin to hunting for it in the forest. You know the general area (the password), you just have to cover a lot more ground than you would with a clue. BJ finding it with the Biggest Lake is like looking near the distinctive pointy rock.

Idols happen. It sucks. But that vote was easily gonna be Tom or Ami if you'd not treated BJ that way that day.


Plus Ami totally shopped you too :P

This isn't even a question for me anymore. Ami, Lisa, and I will vote for Kim. Bobby Jon and Ibe will vote for Ami. Kim will probably vote for Ami. They'll all think we're voting Ibe. If this works and Kim goes, its brilliant because it protects against an idol. If this fails it's awful because my chances of getting Kim to go with me and Lisa at Final 5 are pretty much gone. I'm ready to roll the dice and fight tonight, and for the rest of the game if I have to.

*sigh* I guess I don't have any point to judge, since it is totally a judgment call what the risk/reward is for targeting Ibe versus Kim with an idol in play. But voting for Kim instead of Ibe GUARANTEES that no one on that side will flip on the tie breaker (not that they know what the tie breaker is). Am I wrong in thinking that Kim might flip to avoid a PROD? She could still let Ibe go home and hit finals with BJ and Lisa with some convincing that Tom/Ami are biggest threats, though its a long shot, but might be something she'd realize in the 20 minutes of worrying about drawing purple.

On the plus side, Tom and crew voting for Kim should guarantee that Kim is safe tonight. Barring BJ changing his mind about idol play (I really don't think he will), Tom, Lisa, and Ibe will be in jeopardy tonight with a potential Ami boot if Tom or Lisa defect. Should be an exciting night.

Never mind. I think I might *have* to vote for Ibrehem tonight. Tom thinks a Final 3 of myself, Lisa, and him is the best and... I kind of agree with him? The thing is, I would risk a tie, but I'm seriously so afraid of the purple rock. If it happened at this stage, I think I would stand a 1 in 3 shot at going home, and if I went out forcing a tie I didn't necessarily need to do I'd be so pissed. I just wanna make sure I'm F3 bound and the only way I'm 100% certain I'll make the Finals is if Ibrehem stays. Tom tells me everything about how we're gonna be in the Final 3 but at the end of the day I just can't trust him.

OMG NO! Kim might 3-2-1 herself

I hope that Tom believes her a Ibe goes 4-2 with BJ holding onto his idol for a F4 spot.

FUCKING YES FUCKING YES FUCKING YES

Rocks <3