Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ibrehem » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:15:49 pm

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Ibrehem wrote:Kim, my first question is for you. Following the merge, you did A LOT of backstabbing. (Which I'm sure is general knowledge by now. That's not good by the way.) A good portion of the jury, actually... I NEVER knew if I could trust you or not in-game (not even at the Mia vote like you claim I did, I honestly still don't know if I do trust you at all, and I never really did until the F6 vote because I had to). Even up until the tribal council before my elimination, you still voted for Bobby Jon. You flipped on NuChorotega to help eliminate Caryn. You backstabbed Chris, Jolanda, Gregg and Mia. I heard you targeted me at one point. Yet, in the end, my place in the game was decided simply on the fact that I would never backstab you. I have no doubt that I could have won that challenge after my elimination. But, I'm here because I couldn't find it in myself to backstab as easily as you can. My question is why do you deserve the votes and respect of the people that you helped decide to eliminate by flipping so much? It seems to me you're trying to pass it off by calling it "taking risks" and "oh, my strategy was just flipping a lot and letting Tom take the heat" ... when it was clearly backstab... after backstab... after backstab. And now, in the Final 3, Tom isn't here to take any more heat. It's just you. Admit it, what you said is fancy for saying you simply rode Tom's coattails almost the whole way here. Up until the Mia vote, but even after that you jumped RIGHT THE HELL BACK TO TOM. All you did was beat Tom in a tie-breaker at the Final 4, you didn't distance yourself like you claim you did, it still seemed you were riding his coattails. So, please explain why you feel you deserve ANY kind of respect or votes from the jury. Personally, I find a lot of trouble in giving you my vote because, as you say, it took you until the FINAL 6 to "officially settle on an alliance"... In my eyes, that really just makes you sound extremely untrustworthy, two-faced and mostly a follower in a social game like this, and hardly strategic by any means with the exception of the Mia boot, which Chad helped you with. All you did was convince Tom to vote a certain way, and you're draining that move for all its worth which is hardly anything truly amazing by the way since you two were together most of the game... Thank you, Kim.
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Alright fair enough. Firstly, I just wanna say that lying and backstabbing is an integral part of the game, and I just say right now point blank that I don't regret absolutely anything I've done in this game. The only thing I would change is maybe be a little more proactive in the pre-merge but even then that was like an entirely different game. But with the way I merged, backstabbing was inevitable considering I basically had an arrangement with everyone at the start of the merge except for Chad.
And I don't think I rode Tom's coattails at all. I think he was little more vocal than me and he was more aggressive but like I said, he wasn't making my decisions for me. We always talked things over together. I felt that I was closer with original Chorotega and Tom was closer to Guatuso, so we would basically gather all the information we could and relay it back to each other and then consider our options and make a decision from there.
In terms of the backstabbing.. like I said before, I needed to do it or I wouldn't be sitting here. Post-merge I essentially had two "concrete" options, stick with old Chorotega the whole way through (which probably would've ended up in me getting 5/6th place) or stick with the pact nuChorotega made before we got swapped the 2nd time (which again, probably would've resulted in me getting 5/6th place). So that's why I needed to flip back and forth. With Chris gone, my vote became more valuable for Ami, Mia, Lisa, and Chad since I picked off someone in the alliance who I thought was higher up on the totem pole than me. When Jolanda left, the same thing applies with you, Bobby Jon, and Gregg. I made a decision to take out the figure head of the Chorotega alliance because I know all you guys would've picked her over me at the end of the day. After the Jolanda boot, that's really when the Chad/Tom/me thing started, and Chad and I bonded over that because we both felt that we'd be at the bottom of any alliance if we just chose to lay down and stick with them to the very end.
The reason I "went right back to Tom" after we got rid of Mia is because you and Bobby Jon were targeting Chad for some reason and it made absolutely no sense. He wasn't as big of a threat as Ami, and he basically saved both you and Bobby Jon's asses and gave you opportunity to get really far and you just shut him out as soon as Mia was gone? I didn't agree with Chad going.. but had you suggested we get rid of Ami or Lisa I would've been done, and I'm sure maybe even Chad would've been too, and BJ wouldn't even have needed to play his idol. You and BJ just played the entire F7 round wrong and it would've been game over for both of you had Bobby Jon not had the idol.
And that was all part of my strategy. When Jolanda left, the BJ/Gregg/you really had no choice but to take me to the end game. When Mia left, Ami of course freaked out and I look a whole lot more valuable to her because with Mia gone Ami now needs another number in her alliance if she still wants to make it work.
I deserve respect because I played my flips smart. Bobby Jon "flipped" too early. Tom never flipped but perhaps he should have. All my backstabs were completely justified. With Jolanda still in the game, everyone in the Chorotega alliance would be looking out for her instead of me. In a nut shell with every single vote I was giving myself more options while at the same time limiting the options of others. That's when someone from my "alliance" went home I'd always be okay because I always had other options and relationships with people from the other "side" and back-up plans. And that's why I deserve to win over Bobby Jon and Lisa. Bobby Jon did not play his flips smart and had to rely on idols, (and realistically he made a bad move by not voting me out last night, cause had he voted for me, I'm almost positive all the Chorotegas would've voted for him on the jury against Tom and Lisa, I know I would have), and Lisa would basically be nowhere in the game without the two/three people she chose to have conversations with. If Ami/Mia left earlier in the game than they did, Lisa would've been screwed because she was too firm in her alliance and she didn't really have relationships with anybody outside of that alliance.


Alright, very good answer except I wanted to go further into the bolded part.
First thing after I won immunity again, I said Ami had to go at the F7.
And my voting for Chad was justified for a long time, by the way regardless of whether or not he "saved me" at the Mia vote (I had immunity).
But Chad was telling the other side -our- information and even though I knew Ami was a threat, we still took out Chad, he just wasn't trustworthy. And we had -just- made a F4 deal with him. In the end, whose side did you both vote with at F7? Exactly. Chad could go on and on and claim he would have joined us at the F6, but who's "us"? If he was trying to eliminate Bobby Jon? Me and you?
I did say I wanted Ami gone, then that changed to Tom, but it was going to be Ami again if Chad hadn't blabbed and said we were voting for Tom (which is how we knew he was telling the other side the truth) even though it was going to be Ami at F7.
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:29:22 pm

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At Final 7, I mean obviously I physically voted for Bobby Jon and it was at that point that the Bobby Jon option had just.. exhausted itself. Had Bobby Jon actually gone home that night, the same thing would've essentially happened, I would've had to stick with Tom and Chad and they would've been my Final 3. I know they ended up voting for me at Final 6 but that's because that's when you and BJ were entertaining the idea of getting Tom out and I guess I just acted a little shadier with Tom that round and he obviously caught on and voted for me.
Honestly that round was just so damn confusing but either way, it would've worked out. Bobby Jon goes, I'm almost positive I go to the finals with Chad and Tom. Chad went, and I still got here. But I understand why you guys wanted Chad out, you had all that drama pre-merge and didn't trust him but I did. I see the justification for voting Chad and whatever, it worked out. It was actually probably a better move for you guys looking back because had Chad and Bobby Jon still been in the game at Final 6 I probably would've been more inclined to go with Tom and Chad in the end just because I think you for sure would've won had you made it to the end after all you had to go through throughout the entire game.
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ibrehem » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:31:43 pm

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Okay, thanks Kim.
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:41:39 pm

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Thanks Ibe! Toughest question so far for sure icon_cool
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Bobby Jon » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:29:26 pm

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Mia wrote:Your defending the idols is making things worse. You were going to be voted out TWICE because people wanted you out TWICE. You're still sitting here, so good job, but the fact that you can't accept that two heaping servings of luck got you there is really offputting.

The fact that you can't read is really off-putting:

Bobby Jon wrote:I was lucky to have guessed the hidden immunity idol password twice.

Bobby Jon wrote:I am the first person to admit that my being here in the finals is very unlikely.

Bobby Jon wrote:I understand that I would have been voted out if I hadn't found the idols and I wish that I hadn't needed them.
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gregg » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:37:34 pm

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Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Caryn » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:58:08 pm

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Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:01:00 pm

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Okay, Jury, Final 3. Let's continue from where we left off.

I believe all of Caryn, Chris, Jolanda, Gregg, Mia, Chad, and Ibrehem have gone last night. That leaves only Ami and Tom left.
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:03:30 pm

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I have Ami's question for her, she could not be here, but I believe she's lurking on her phone somewhere.

Here we go.

Ami wrote:Booby Jaundice icon_rolleyes icon_rolleyes icon_rolleyes

I fully realize that you had no choice to play an idol at the F5 to save yourself, I mean, it was the last time to use it and you WERE going home. But did you honestly think that idoling ME out was going to ever get you my vote? You knew so hardcore just how much I hated the HII but yet instead of taking out Tom you took me out? With he or I leaving, there was no doubt in both scenarios that there would be a tie in the F4. I respected you as a player up until that point and you completely fucking spat on me on my way out. Go fuck yourself, Boob icon_rolleyes
Whether or not you answer my question is up to you, but just remember that just because you probably won't get my vote? You being an asshole and not answering it just might effect other members of this jury.
Please re-tell my entire storyline in this game and add in how this game really SHOULD have played out if there were no idols.


Kim

It was clear to me just how much I underestimated you as a player since I didn't have you on my radar at all until it was far too late. Shame on me, but good for you! I think what I appreciate the most about your game is that you put yourself in the position to not be viewed as the devious snake that Tom seemed to be given, yet you took the opportunity to step away from his side to make your own decisions. Also, I can't deny that your endurance performance was very impressive.

BUT.

Part of me can't help but think that it was easy for you to summarize your game tonight as this total manipulating queen of Chorotega. I mean, it's easy to twist a few things here or there and say that even though you didn't like a few of the decisions, "I had a plan A then a plan B."
Please tell me who your ideal F3 opponents (from the jury) would have been had it been up to you? Sort of like your Plan B as it were.


Lisa

It's no secret that I think you're awesome icon_wub There was absolutely nothing wrong with how you played the game because looking at the facts:
1) You were loyal
2) You were a team player
3) You never lied

I mean, everyone has been and will be vocal about their opinion of you, but I want you to know that in a season like this....those attributes you have shown were indeed rare. What's even more interesting is that it almost seems like if you aren't lying your ass off and scheming all day long...you're seen as weak. Well, I don't think you're weak at all. I enjoyed playing this game with you Lisa icon_wub
Please tell me who(in the whole game) would have been in your ideal F3 and why?
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Bobby Jon » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:09:49 pm

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Ami wrote:Booby Jaundice icon_rolleyes icon_rolleyes icon_rolleyes

I fully realize that you had no choice to play an idol at the F5 to save yourself, I mean, it was the last time to use it and you WERE going home. But did you honestly think that idoling ME out was going to ever get you my vote? You knew so hardcore just how much I hated the HII but yet instead of taking out Tom you took me out? With he or I leaving, there was no doubt in both scenarios that there would be a tie in the F4. I respected you as a player up until that point and you completely fucking spat on me on my way out. Go fuck yourself, Boob icon_rolleyes
Whether or not you answer my question is up to you, but just remember that just because you probably won't get my vote? You being an asshole and not answering it just might effect other members of this jury.
Please re-tell my entire storyline in this game and add in how this game really SHOULD have played out if there were no idols.

I don't need to feed your already over-inflated ego. Feel free to dream about how the game "should" have played out in your own time.
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Chad » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:11:04 pm

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Bobby Jon wrote:
Ami wrote:Booby Jaundice icon_rolleyes icon_rolleyes icon_rolleyes

I fully realize that you had no choice to play an idol at the F5 to save yourself, I mean, it was the last time to use it and you WERE going home. But did you honestly think that idoling ME out was going to ever get you my vote? You knew so hardcore just how much I hated the HII but yet instead of taking out Tom you took me out? With he or I leaving, there was no doubt in both scenarios that there would be a tie in the F4. I respected you as a player up until that point and you completely fucking spat on me on my way out. Go fuck yourself, Boob icon_rolleyes
Whether or not you answer my question is up to you, but just remember that just because you probably won't get my vote? You being an asshole and not answering it just might effect other members of this jury.
Please re-tell my entire storyline in this game and add in how this game really SHOULD have played out if there were no idols.

I don't need to feed your already over-inflated ego. Feel free to dream about how the game "should" have played out in your own time.


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Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ami » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:11:56 pm

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Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:15:12 pm

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Jeff Probst wrote:
BUT.

Part of me can't help but think that it was easy for you to summarize your game tonight as this total manipulating queen of Chorotega. I mean, it's easy to twist a few things here or there and say that even though you didn't like a few of the decisions, "I had a plan A then a plan B."
Please tell me who your ideal F3 opponents (from the jury) would have been had it been up to you? Sort of like your Plan B as it were.


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I mean, obviously if I could take anyone who made the merge and put them in the Final 3 with me right now it would probably be like Caryn or Chris or Lisa or Gregg just because I think I'd have the easiest shot of winning if I was in the Final 3 with any of them. Obviously something like that never would be able to work out into my strategy.
Ideally, I think that this Final 3 is one of the best ones I could've come up with that was actually realistic. Bobby Jon, myself, and Lisa were really the hidden players of the season, but I think once you look at the overall picture I was just a step ahead of both of them in every aspect of the game. I know Bobby Jon won just as many challenges as me but the endurance one was particularly tough and you out of anyone can vouch for that. Bobby Jon had to rely on some idols, his jury management skills weren't the best (a lot of Guatuso seem to despise him), and he made a poor move by taking me to the end when he most likely would have the win on lock against Tom and Lisa. But I think that does go to show that I was kind of a cold, manipulating player, since I had Bobby Jon's loyalty on lock and it basically fogged his actual own best interest.
Lisa, although I know you adore her, but you have to look at the big picture. I understand why you love her and why your alliance loves her but none of her sweetness translated to people outside of her immediate alliance. To me, it only seemed like Lisa (and I guess Bobby Jon towards the end) only had a Plan A when I always had at least some control.
So in conclusion, after some thought, I think this is an ideal Final 3. Like I said before, I have absolutely no regrets, and I just think I deserve to win over the other two.
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gregg » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:18:35 pm

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Ami wrote:Omg you are just the biggest fucking cunt icon_rolleyes


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Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lisa » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:20:12 pm

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Jeff Probst wrote:I have Ami's question for her, she could not be here, but I believe she's lurking on her phone somewhere.

Lisa

It's no secret that I think you're awesome icon_wub There was absolutely nothing wrong with how you played the game because looking at the facts:
1) You were loyal
2) You were a team player
3) You never lied

I mean, everyone has been and will be vocal about their opinion of you, but I want you to know that in a season like this....those attributes you have shown were indeed rare. What's even more interesting is that it almost seems like if you aren't lying your ass off and scheming all day long...you're seen as weak. Well, I don't think you're weak at all. I enjoyed playing this game with you Lisa icon_wub
Please tell me who(in the whole game) would have been in your ideal F3 and why?
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Thanks so much Ami icon_wub icon_wub icon_wub I've enjoyed playing with you too icon_wub

My ideal f3 was me, you, and Mia. You two were the ones I trusted the most and was the most loyal to overall so I would have loved for all 3 of us to make it to the end together.

Thanks again! icon_smile
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ami » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:22:48 pm

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66% of me is satisfied, Jeff.

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Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Chad » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:23:07 pm

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Ami wrote:66% of me is satisfied, Jeff.

Good luck ladies! Die, Boob icon_mad



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Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Chad » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:30:25 pm

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Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:30:48 pm

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Thanks Ami, Tom, hard act to follow but you are up.
 

Re: Day 30 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jolanda » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:31:04 pm

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So, uh, does Tom ask his Questions now?
 
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